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Post by roddy byers on Nov 17, 2008 20:36:18 GMT
Funny really isnt it? specials fans love the band but do not always get/like our individual tastes?
When Terry or Jerry D.J. some fans turn up expectin wall to wall Ska! havent they studied their so called heroes tastes in music!
Same with my band and Nevelles do they come expectin a carbon copy of the Specials?
The Specials were 7 very differant individuals thats why they sounded like they/we did.
Not all fans that is think like that thank g.o.d.
But some narrow minded fashion victims who donned a tonic suit when they were 12yrs old and never studied the music or where our idears came from..poor misguided dumbos..
I guess thats why for many years i never admitted to even playing in the Specials infact for most of the 80,s ,n, 90,s most of the people who came to see me play had no idear i had been involed in Two tone and the Specials..
I feel betta now ive got that off my T.I.T.S!
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Post by bazza on Nov 17, 2008 22:39:19 GMT
I love listening to all the stuff that various members have done since The Specials. I'm a big soul fan and loved all the JB Allstars singles, shame that Brad never released an album. Also seen The Skabilly Rebels a few times and though I'm not a big rockabilly fan I enjoyed the gigs. 'Ultra Modern Nursary Rhymes' was my favourite Terry Hall album since The Specials and I love the work Lynval has done with Pama International. Off to see Pama International in a couple of weeks and can't wait! But I know a few skinheads round here slag the band off as they aren't a carbon-copy of The Specials.  I've also enjoyed the stuff Jerry Dammers is doing now, well what I've seen on YouTube. Wouldn't mind catching a gig sometime as he's the only member of The Specials I've not seen live yet. |
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Post by roddy byers on Nov 18, 2008 7:35:30 GMT
Nice one Bazza!
I wish every Specials fan had a broader outlook on our individual musical tastes.
Maybe its the Sham Bonehead types who later switched to Oi that cant get their heads round anything which breaks the mold?
They are i think the people who after it became a successful fashion took to it hook line ,n, sinker and still want to relive their misspent youth..they also seem to be the ones who like to start punch-ups at shows because they have two left feet and cant dance without looking like a pregnant hippo*
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Post by twotone on Nov 18, 2008 8:14:57 GMT
Yep have to agree with you bazza life is to short to be stereotype into one style of music there so much out there but you need to open your mind up to be willing to give it a chance, as Roddy said there are a lot of die hand fans out there who will never listen to anything else but one type of music, which is very sad , as for jerry DJ ing i seen him a view times now and he does a great set i was lucky enough to see him at the 100 club when Desmond dekker played great night and the same goes for terry they don't play just ska but a good mix but well worth seeing and they alway made time to chat with you which is nice.
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Post by bazza on Nov 18, 2008 9:07:36 GMT
Nice one Bazza! I wish every Specials fan had a broader outlook on our individual musical tastes. Maybe its the Sham Bonehead types who later switched to Oi that cant get their heads round anything which breaks the mold? They are i think the people who after it became a successful fashion took to it hook line ,n, sinker and still want to relive their misspent youth..they also seem to be the ones who like to start punch-ups at shows because they have two left feet and cant dance without looking like a pregnant hippo* Reminds me of the time when I was playing in a ska band supporting The Selecter back in the mid 90s. It was the time when Brad was playing drums for them. Anyway, I thought The Selecter were great that night but I remember one skinhead having a go at The Selecter's guitarist (sorry can't remember his name) after the gig. Seems that the skinhead thought that the guitarist was playing rock rather than ska and let him know what he thought. He wasn't a happy chappy. |
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Post by fredperry on Nov 18, 2008 11:59:04 GMT
I like a lot of the solo Specials stuff, not everything but a lot. Maybe ive got a wide taste in music? It Sir Sydney Shelf Stackeres me off when people dont understand or care about my tastes or views and its not a nice feeling. But people are different and I have to understand thats my only consilation. Though it doesnt really make the world any easier when theres little response. People are so caught up with the same old muck they're fed, they just eat and accept. I can understand with youngsters, but its adults too! Against all adversity I refuse to pander and speak my mind. But the world (including internet chat rooms - as my other half tells me) is full of fair weathered friends (not aiming at anyone here).
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Post by jh on Nov 18, 2008 13:55:34 GMT
Funny really isnt it? specials fans love the band but do not always get/like our individual tastes? havent they studied their so called heroes tastes in music! But some narrow minded fashion victims who donned a tonic suit when they were 12yrs old and never studied the music or where our idears came from..poor misguided dumbos.. I feel betta now ive got that off my T.I.T.S! sorry if there's any duplication from posts above... great thread roddy (and replys) !!!  i don't think it's the fans obligation to follow up on their "heroes" tastes in music, but for the people who like (or have the time/passion) to dig even a little bit deeper it can be a very rewarding thing. i always give groups like the specials, beat, and the clash, etc... full credit for making me look into the origins of ska and jamaican music in general (outside of bob marley), not to mention a host of other sounds. "more specials" pushed this into even more varied directions and helped me to look outside the "2 tone" section at the used vinyl shop and into the "EZ", "rockabilly", "dub" crates and beyond... following post specials' formations was thrilling as well (FB3, colourfield, special AKA II, tearjerkers, etc...) but with any band repping such a strong image as the specials around the time of their debut, you can't be surprised with certain folks' sheep (or lemming???) mentality... or that those opinions carry through to today. there's so many close minded individuals out there in this world. they just don't want to know. later to them (though would the band be as well-known around the world if these yobbos weren't filling the seats back in the day??? creating some sort of hysteria???). surely they'll be similar types at future gigs. curiosity seekers, vapid industry/corporate who-r-e-s (let's hope there's some real music lovers involved in getting the group back on stage behind the scenes if it's to be), and many trendy types... that is why it'd be great to see any reformed specials line-up push the boundaries (as you did in the past) and really reflect your varied tastes, backgrounds, and inspirations... not talking free jazz versions of "do the dog", but i know there's more to the specials' than "ska, ska, ska" (which there's nothing really wrong with either really, good music is good music...)... but with money to be made, i imagine it's there's a challenging balance at hand. still, a potentially fun one, no doubt... |
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Post by roddy byers on Nov 18, 2008 17:22:39 GMT
Music comes from the soul..all those bad tings,good tings pain pleasure is all mixed up with the styles we grew up on.
I never knew much Ska when i started with the Shells just 70,s reggae mainly so i just played what i could from my musical background the same with all the guys.
Me and Neol Davis came from a rock/blues background but we both loved the feel of reggae/Ska while Lynval loved White rock music as well as reggae/Ska Soul Funk etc.
Brad Motown reggae Dub Soul, Horace Funk,Disco rock..
Thats what made us differant + Dammers Mad proffessor jazz head and Terrys punk/glam mod style.
Nevelle could toast and out perform the best of the best*
I rest ma case!
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Post by Hugh on Nov 18, 2008 19:12:09 GMT
...and it's not good to corner a hot band.
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Post by dubirl on Nov 18, 2008 22:44:58 GMT
I saw The Skabilly Rebels in Dublin back in 2003 and that was one of the best Gigs in years I go for the Rebels not for The Specials. I bought a couple of Vinyl Records after the show and I got Roddy and some of the other Guy's to Sign them for me and I also had a chat with the band. at the gig I asked Roddy to play a song (Falling angel) and when I was walking away a member of the audience asked me what song did you ask for and I said for a laugh Ghost Town and he said nice one. and I saw Terry Hall DJing here and alot of people left because he wasn't playing much Ska. you tend to get these kind of reactions from paying punters all the time at 2tone related Gigs most of them are there to relive there lost teen years or something like that. even Madness get Hong Kong Phoey when They play new songs. I'm into it for life not just for a few Drunken hours.
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Post by roddy byers on Nov 19, 2008 8:14:58 GMT
Nice one Dubirl*
If and when the Shells hit the frog,n,toad i wonder how the braindeads will react to new material?
Hope thay dont cry ,n, Winnie The Pooh Loves Hugh their Y fronts!
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Post by bazza on Nov 19, 2008 9:00:18 GMT
Nice one Dubirl* If and when the Shells hit the frog,n,toad i wonder how the braindeads will react to new material? Hope thay dont cry ,n, Winnie The Winnie The Pooh Loves Hugh Loves Hugh their Y fronts! New material?  It will be like when Dylan went electric or Ralph Mctell on Big Train. uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aVSTr7rb1_Y |
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Post by paulwillo on Nov 19, 2008 12:01:25 GMT
I understand roddys frustrations when he cant get people to see where he is coming from with his tastes that come out in the Skabilly rebels tracks- but his stuff,and I dont mean Specials stuff,is class . proper rhythms, up tempo, great lyrics written from the heart. I am a big Ska fan and it is a love of mine,not just 2Tone but loads of other stuff modern and original but I like rockabilly,some psychobilly, punk, a bit of glam,some 60s stuff,I even like original INXS! Stuff like Roddys 'Desire', 'judgement day' and the brilliant 'Blues Attack' are as good as anything Ive heard. But I do love Colour Field and Halls solo stuff.I thought JBs Allstars were a top job as well- quite under rated,hardly released a bad single and like Bazza says would love to have had an album from them.I think Dammers' Sun Ra orchestra is gonna take some growing on me.id like to see more original stuff from Nev in the same vein as his track 'What Can I Do?' which isnt out and out reggae/ska and is quality. Its always gonna be hard to please the boneheady types who are stuck in their ways- most havent followed what other band members have recorded since The Specials hey day or followed music in general and nowadays in their 40s etc... just want to go out,get wee weeed and want to hear the old stuff just for a night out. I just hope any future Specials gigs dont kick off a la 79 style- that would be Rather nasty smelly stuffe .I remember seeing Sham 69 with Roddy a few years back and the big bunch of pogo-ing old skinheads at the front were still trying to cause trouble,nothing had changed and Jimmy Pursey was just stood shaking his head.We need to keep the right wingers away as well cos the reformation of the band could act as a magnet or bring the old extremists out of their 30 year closet slumber.Its a tough call.Unfortunately we are going to get some of the types Roddy was talking about up the page,the pregnant hippo dancers LOL- but as well,I have always wanted things to progress,thats how it should be, and thats why bands like the Skabs should be supported to the hilt.Original material,you cant beat it-from any source. |
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Post by roddy byers on Nov 19, 2008 14:06:57 GMT
Cheers Paul..what do you want for Xmas matey!
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Post by paulwillo on Nov 19, 2008 16:30:19 GMT
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